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Thinner Leaner Stronger: The Simple Science of Building the Ultimate Female Body (Muscle for Life Book 2)?

A total of 13 reviews of this product on Reddit.

251 points


11th Jan 2019

You’ll probably hate to hear this, but if she already is very fit and is serious about getting to an “elite” level, she’ll probably benefit most from a legit personal trainer. Getting that last 20% of looks/performance takes as much as the first 80%.

If she just wants to look better and is a fitness enthusiast, start looking into a free food tracker (myfitnespal on her phone is really good). Any service that helps with meal prep or, dare I say it, protein shakes, will help because diet will be her biggest key to either success or failure.

Thinner, Leaner, Stronger is an excellent place to start, though his writing style makes it a bit cumbersome at times.

If she’s not already started power lifting (especially squats, deadlifts), then she should start finding good videos on youtube of Olympic lifts. You search some excel table progressions for 5-3-1 and similar style deals. I get it that she’s not going for mass, but the compound lifts help with fat loss a great deal and you can moderate them so you do not look like a body builder.

29 points


18th Jan 2021

Since you’re new and your mind isn’t flooded with misinformation yet, do yourself a huge favor and buy this book.

I have the male version and it’s amazing, provides a comprehensive foundation of nutrition, exercise, dieting, and notates studies to back up everything he claims. He also goes in depth about supplements and which ones are worthless.

1 point


28th Aug 2017

I just started weightlifting too! It’s kind of overwhelming as a female, but luckily it’s no longer intimidating- the big guys don’t look at me strange when i walk in the weight area and they’ve been helpful when i ask about machines or form advice 🙂 I did find this book and I also enjoy the author’s podcast- check it out, lots of great beginning information! Tons of science and thus far it doesn’t seem to be complete bullshit- https://www.amazon.com/Thinner-Leaner-Stronger-Building-Ultimate-ebook/dp/B0098PYV7Q/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
Basically this guy says lift heavy, few reps, and eat with common sense. If you want to do cardio, do HIIT for short amounts of time.

1 point


26th Apr 2017

Buy this book-


I’ve used the male version with very good results.

Okay so you know that diet is 80% of losing weight. Try intermittent fasting. Keto can also work well. Look at the keto sub Reddit. My friend using intermittent fasting + keto lost 40lbs in 2 months.

Also you sure you aren’t in starvation mode? Calculate your tdee eat 3-400 less than it. Plan your meals. If you try to cut too much your body gets really efficient at using calories. So every 4-6 weeks eat at your tdee. Assures your body you aren’t stuck in a famine.

1 point


28th Dec 2016

Traditional bodybuilding workout with a cut will lean you out and keep you strong. When you lean out you won’t be bulky and you probably already have gorgeous muscles.

Check out Thinner, Leaner, Stronger. I highly recommend it.

1 point


8th Jun 2016

> io is awesome, but not for weight loss.

Love this and agree. My cardio is stress relief more than anything.

> increase the INTENSITY of your exercise.

This too. I’m glad I’m doing something right. So many women (myself included) fall into that “I don’t want to get buff” trap. I read <em>Thinner Leaner Stronger</em> by Michael Matthews which is the woman’s version of his Bigger Leaner Stronger for men and it really helped me understand the science better. My biggest obstacle is always time.

And I can totally relate that when I get to a higher lift, I feel so badass!

I’m fortunate not to have a libido mismatch with my spouse who is a marathon runner/triathlete, and my lovers are at varied levels of fitness. I haven’t struggled to find partners, but that’s likely due to a stunning personality. 😉

1 point


4th Oct 2015
Basic InfoFemale
Weight106 lbs
BMI CategorizationNormal weight
Estimated Bodyfat %22
BMR (Mifflin St-Jeor)1204
Exercise Frequency3x week

Macros – FemaleCaloriesProteinFatCarbFiberlbs / Week
20% Cut1324854215119-0.66
15% Cut1407854217220-0.50
Maintain Weight16568542234230.00
5% Bulk17388542254240.17
10% Bulk18218542275250.33

You might benefit from reading a book about fitness & nutrition. This one is a great resource for women, with comprehensive sections on nutrition, training & supplementation.

Some key principles for you:

1) It’s best to focus on one thing at a time – losing fat/retaining muscle OR gaining weight/building muscle, & eating & training for one goal or the other – instead of trying to do both at once.

2) Your body doesn’t build much muscle without a caloric surplus (& weight gain) & also lifting progressively heavier weights over time.

3) When cutting to lose fat, you want to eat between your BMR & your TDEE. For you, that would put you somewhere in the 1200-1400 range. You may even be able to lose on 1500 if you train often enough. But you’ll need to eat like that SEVEN days a week (at least in terms of calories), not 5 days & then go off plan on the weekends.

Good luck

12 points


20th Aug 2019

https://legionathletics.com › tdee-cal…
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This Is the Best TDEE Calculator on the Web (2019) – Legion Athletics

Thinner Leaner Stronger: The Simple Science of Building the Ultimate Female Body (Muscle for Life Book 2) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0098PYV7Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_5Z4wDbBR09H90

I’d have a look at your TDEE on this website and the linked book which is a good intro to cutting/maintenance/bulking and macros with a specific focus on women.

Yes, I think 1400kcal is too low to bulk. Had a quick look at your calculated TDEE based on your weight and activity level (you’ll be able to calculate it more accurately by using correct BF% and age, height etc…) and I think you’d need to be quite a bit higher.

I’d give the book a read and see what you think. It’s cheap enough.

3 points


13th Jul 2021

When I first started lifting I read Michael Matthew’s Thinner, Leaner, Stronger and really liked it.

If you just want to start with some quick, solid basics without getting into the why of it all, I would check out Strong Lifts. Look up proper form before you start (lots of videos to be found online), and find modifications if any of the lifts aren’t comfortable for you.

From there if you feel you want to add in more, check out Ice Cream Fitness for some accessory lifts that can build on the Strong Lifts base.

Good luck!

1 point


21st Feb 2021

Hi, friend! The training that has actually yielded real results for me is heavy weight lifting. A few good books to explore on this subject are Thinner Leaner Stronger by Mike Matthews https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0098PYV7Q/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_9PC1KZBXR748B3JK1HKF?_encoding=UTF8&amp;psc=1
And Roar by Stacy Sims https://www.amazon.com/dp/1623366860/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_Z8A454BS3HSDD5Q2KCW5

If you will dedicate yourself to getting stronger and fueling your body with good food, you will get the body you want. Both of these books will provide science-based instruction so you can actually get started.

1 point


4th Aug 2020

Working out to get specifically to get :toned” is a myth. Men and women both achieve their best looking bodies by picking and putting down heavy weight. Granted, women tend to (and should) focus more on lower body development than their upper bodies, but the principles remain the same: eat a surplus, progressively overload and lify heavier and heavier weight, focus on big compound movements first and isolation lifts afterwards, get enough sleep, then after gaining significant strength, muscle, and hopefully not too much fat, eat a slight calorie deficit and cut down on the fat while retaining as much muscle as possible. Doing this gives you the sought after “toned” look. Many if not most of the models with small waists, big butts, and perky chests workout with heavy weights, control their caloric intake, and bulk/cut cycle.

And no, it won’t make you look bulky unless you are intentionally going for that look, focus a huge amount of time on upper body, and / or do steriods. Men have aroud 500% more testosterone than female on the baseline; you won’t get big like a man would.

My wife and her best looking friends all lift heavy weights. I assure you none of them look bulky or masculine, far from it infact.

The best resource on this is Thinner Leaner Stronger by Mike Matthews. A lady who really embraces this is Brittany Perille (check out the second picture to see the results).

So, if you want to maximize your sexual strategy and outcomes, you need to lift.

1 point


19th Nov 2015

>Hello everyone!
>To the girls out there scared of heavy lifting I hope my post can convince you you shouldn’t be!
>Here are pictures of my progress after I followed a 3 month program where I lifted heavy, heavy, HEAVY weights 5 times a week:
>| Area | time period | image
>| BUTT/BACK | over 3 months | http://i.imgur.com/nyWJrOb.gif|
>| FRONT | over 3 months| http://i.imgur.com/fV45WJU.gif|
>Here are the static images of the above (please excuse the crummy quality): FRONT/BACK/SIDE
>To be completely honest I feel GREAT. I feel so strong! One of the first things I noticed is that I’m never tired anymore when I carry 6 bags from the supermarket, lol. I just feel so full of energy! And I must say that that has been the best thing of all. It has now been a year since the change above and I look the same, I have maintained both my weight/muscle-mass by going to the gym 1-2 (I haven’t calorie-counted since)
>For those that want to know
>here are my measurements:
>| My measurments | Value
>| Age | 25 years|
>| Sex | Female|
>| Height | 5 ft 7 in/170 cm|
>| Starting weight | 136lbs/62kg |
>| Ending weight | 121lbs/55kg |
>| Net weight loss | 15lbs/7kgs|
>I decided to start heavy lifting after one very kind person in /r/fitness (shoutout to you /u/sknick_) recommended a very wonderful fitness-author to me, Michael Matthews (link takes you to his blogg). After reading a bit about him, I bought his book dedicated to heavy lifting for amateur women called “Thinner, Leaner, Stronger” (If anyone wants to check it out here it is on amazon). It detailes everything about weight-lifting/weight loss from the beginning, and I was so thrilled I decided to follow his program to the T!
>The exact program I followed during the 3 months
>| Day | Excersizes
>| Monday – Chest and Abs | Bench Press (3 sets, 4-6 reps)
> |Incline Bench press (3 sets, 4-6 reps)
> |Dumbell Incline Bench Press (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Dips (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Cable Crunch (3 sets, 15-20 reps)
> |Leg Raises (3 sets to failure)
> |Air Bikes (3 sets to failure)
> |——————————————————|
>| Tuseday – Back | Barbell Deadlifts (3 sets, 4-6 reps)
> |Barbell Bent over Row (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Dumbell one arm row (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Close grup Front lateral pulldown (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |——————————————————|
>| Wednesday – Shoulders | Military Press (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Barbell up right Row (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Lateral Raise (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Dumbell Bent Over Delt Raise (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |——————————————————|
>| Thursday – Arms | Dumbbell alternative Bicep curl (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Tricep pushdown (V-Bar) (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Barbell Curl (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Dumbell seated Tricep Press (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |——————————————————|
>| Friday – Legs | Barbell Squat (3 sets, 4-6 reps)
> |Leg Press Machine (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |Romanian Deadlift (3 sets, 8-10 reps)
> |——————————————————|
>These workouts take around 45/60 minutes each (so not so much!).
>HIIT-training: In addition to these gym session I did High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) in the form of running 3 times a week, each session being 20 minute.
>(HIIT-jogging: You jog for a minute, sprint for 30-60 seconds, jog another minute, jog for 30-60 seconds again etc. until you reach around 20 minutes. There are great free apps for this type of workout, for example “HIIT interval training timer”)
>Calorie Counting
>As I wanted to get leaner I cut during these 3 months (I was at a calorie deficiency). To calculate what my daily macors (fats/proteins/carbohydrates) and calories should be for good weight-loss, I used the following formula for my starting weight (that I found in Michael Matthews book).
>1. Eat 1.2 grams of protein per pound of body weight each day
>2. Eat 1 gram of carbs per body weight each day
>3. Eat 0.2 grams of fats per body weight each day
>For me that became 163 grams of protein per day (1,2 grams 136 lbs), 136 grams of carbohydrates per day (1 gram *136 lbs) and 27 grams of fat per day (0,2 grams *136 lbs).
>You then use these values to count your daily calorie intake. 1 carb is 4 calories, 1 protein is 4 calories and one fat is 9 calories.
>I calculated about 1300 calories per day, which I followed exactly during those months.
>And that’s all I did! Simply put my body feels great now and just filled with power. When I run I feel springy on my feet, when I play with my friends and family I use my body with joy because it feels so strong. And that is something I want to convey. Not only is heavy lifting a great way to get lean/look good if that is your main concern, but the changes to the *feeling
of your body is amazing. One of the best decisions I have made in my life 🙂 The 3 months was an intense workout-effort, but once you get there maintaining what you achieved takes very little effort! (I go to the gym 1-2 a week and that’s it, I look more or less the same as when I just finished the intense training period now one year later. When I maintain I follow the excersizes outlined in this article.
>My purpose with posting is to perhaps help some other girls/guys out there like /u/sknick_ /Michael Matthew’s book helped me, and show them the amazing progress that is possible with weight-lifting!
>Thanks for looking guys! If you have any questions hit me 🙂

0 points


21st Feb 2018

Hey buddy: TLS is $8.00on kindle… is that too much for you?

His training program is broken up into 5,4 and 3 day splits. I prefer the 5 day split because 1) the total workout time is shorter 2) I can focus on individual muscle groups (doing multiple groups causes me to short change the latter groups) 3) His 5 day split has more volume for individual muscle groups

You can spend $0 and get a great 6, 5, 4, or 3 day routines. Check out bodybuilding.com or google 5 day splits. There’s lots of free published info.

I like TLS’ programming for novices, but he doesn’t tell you anything in his book or bonus report (which contains his 1 year of progressive exercises) that you can’t learn through internet research. It’s helpful because his program does the thinking for you and grows as you do (feeling like shoulders are lagging- well in the very next phase he’s thought about that and added more shoulder stuff).