A total of 304 reviews of this product on Reddit.
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>Currently I will only use them with my shure se846, moondrop blessing 2, grado sr60e and b&o h6 but I am planning on getting a zmf aeolus in the future.
All of those except for the ZMF are fairly easy to drive and can be driven by a dongle. There are dongles that measure highly accurate and would sound the same as the JDS Labs Atom stack or Heresy/Modi.
In fact, I have two Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongles because I use one as a DAC with my THX 789, and previously with the Atom amp, on Windows, and keep the other with my phone. It sounded the same as my $250 Topping D50S desktop DAC, so I got rid of the D50S.
And it should. The measurements indicate its noise and distortion levels are such that they should be inaudible, just like the Modi and Atom DAC+
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
So you might start with one of those and an Atom or Heresy amp, and then you have it to use with the phone. If you have an iphone, they do have it version on Amazon for it.
And then later on, you could upgrade to the matching desktop DAC and still have the Sonata HD Pro for mobile use. Or you might do like me and just get another Sonata HD Pro.
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5.1 and 7.1 for gaming headphones is not true multi-channel surround. It’s just digital signal processing. If you search online, you can find software to do that.
Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will work well with the DT 770 80 ohm, and it measures more accurate than the E10K.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>Many people have mentioned that since they’re 150 ohms they don’t need an amp but they won’t get loud without them.
That’s not necessarily true. They are fairly easy to drive and work pretty well on a PC.
I would get them first, and see what you think. Don’t feel you have to run out to buy an amp/DAC.
You do decide you want one, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/ DACs. It just doesn’t have as much power output. But plenty to drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures more accurate than the K5 Pro. So accurate, that it is arguably noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing. The Sonata HD Pro doesn’t have as much headphone amp power, but the X2HR doesn’t need it.
Worth giving it a shot because Amazon has free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Try the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It will drive the HD600 to moderately loud volume with very accurate, clear sound.
If you find you need a little more power than that, then get a JDS Labs Atom stack or Schiit Heresy and Modi 3+ for $200. Free returns at Amazon on the Tempotec, so no penalty for trying.
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I use mine with this amp.
Without the amp, they’re just fine too, but the amp does help with the loudness/quality. I mainly got that one because it works with my phone and tablet as well.
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I agree with the other recommendation for getting an Atom coupled with the Apple USB-C dongle. Great set up for the money that will easily drive your headphones.
Or if you only listen moderately loud, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $60 works great with the HD58X
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups. It just doesn’t have as much power. However, it will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with clear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $37 measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups. it just doesn’t have as much power, but can drive the HD58X moderately loud volume with crystal vlear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Amazon has free returns on it, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it. So you could try it and see if it makes a difference for you or not.
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HD58X work okay on my Samsung S9+. But they work great with the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. Measures extremely accurate and drives the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. Works well with Windows and Android.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
So with the HD58X, for the price of the HD6XX, you could have a pair of headphones that are easy to drive and a very good dac/amp for use with them.
And personally I prefer the hd58x over the hd6xx myself.
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon is a very good dac/amp
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because the HD560S is 120 ohms, it is automatically detected as low impedance and goes into low gain. it can be fooled into high gain and provide a little more power by plugging in the HD 560S 3.5 mm adapter into the Sonata HD Pro. Then plug the headphone cable into that adapter after your computer or phone senses the Sonata HD Pro.
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well i’ll use it in listening from here on and get a better feel but it drives with my hardest to drive headphones in high gain mode, i can’t tell it apart from a 100 dollar desktop dac by ear, and as a dac alone it works fine with my other amp. cable’s going to turn to powder in short order is the only downside so I’ll order a replacement.
it’s crazy that a 40 dollar chifi dac/amp that is the size of a flash drive does basically as well as what i spent 200-something dollars on a decade ago. especially idk how you justify a dragonfly today. this is a great portable option is my opinion rn
also the biggest complaint in the reviews (big volume steps) is not an issue on mine, there’s plenty of steps
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They are not difficult to drive. If you’d rather spend less, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 is a better measuring DAC/amp and has plenty of power for the SHP 9500
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
That’s what I would get. In fact, I own two of them 🙂
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I have an XXL head. HD58X fits me. Of course people have different head shapes.
HD58X can be easily driven to moderately loud volume with the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle, which is more accurate measuring than the Fiio amps you are considering. Sonata HD Pro measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you want to go cheaper, a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop and / DAC’s. It just does not have as much power. However, it will drive the SHP9500 just fine due to their low impedance and sensitivity
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Skip the dragonfly. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro for $40 on Amazon measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs. And better than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I strongly recommend it.
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The E10K has plenty of power for your headphones. So you don’t benefit from a more powerful headphone amp.
You can upgrade so that you get a better DAC. But that may or may not seem significant to you in terms of sound quality.
If you want to try a better measuring DAC/amp, check out the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Difficult to predict. You might notice some difference. You might not. And evaluation of that difference, if it exists, is subjective. So you might find it to be less or more than someone else.
That being said, if you want to hear what the DT 700 Pro X sound like with a very accurate dac/amp, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is more accurate than the iFi Zen, and it would have no trouble powering the DT 700.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Amazon has free returns, so free return shipping if you don’t notice any difference.
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HD660S are not too difficult to drive.
If you have an Android smartphone, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle will work quite well with them and is about as accurate as a Schiit stack. I use mine all the time with one
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
If you have an iphone, there is a more expensive version that comes with the lightning cable. Or you could get the HIDISZ S8.
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If you want to try something, get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle from Amazon. It is as accurate as $200 desktop amp/dacs, and has enough power to drive the HD58x to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. Amazon has free returns on it, so you can always send it back if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures very accurate and is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. It will drive the HD660S to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. Works great with my HD660S.
So unless you listen extremely loud, you could just get that. Amazon has it with free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. And it will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human earring. And it will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Now you could spend more money on more powerful amps, but they won’t provide any better fidelity audio reproduction.
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Those headphones are easy to drive.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing, and will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Since Amazon has free returns, you might try and see if it gets loud enough for you
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For positional audio in gaming, HD660S are generally considered the best out of three. Amazon currently has them for $350.
They’re not terribly difficult to drive. But if you wanted an external DAC/amp, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle works very well with them
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Very worth it! Even HD 58X is also worth it if you don’t want to spend on DAC/Amp. but dac/amp helps with both headphones. Can consider going with TempoTec Sonata HD PRO for either 6XX / 58X.
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The DT 700 Pro X are easy to drive. They’ll even work well with a phone headphone jack.
So you can pair them with any popularly recommended amp/DAC on the subreddit. But I would try them first. You might be satisfied with the sound and decide you don’t need to buy anything else.
If you want an inexpensive dac/amp to use with them with your PC or Android phone, a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle work very well.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Might even go on sale for Black Friday.
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>I’m not really interested in getting anything crazy powerful for future headphone purchases or driving anything more powerful.
In that case, consider the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. Measures very accurate, and has enough power to drive the DT 900 Pro X extremely loud with crystal clear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It is very unlikely you would hear a difference between it and the amp/dacs you are considering. And then you also have the option of using it with an Android phone.
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I would prefer the DT 900 myself for the uses you describe. But that doesn’t mean you will.
Yes. They are open headphones.
I would skip the DAC X6. If you do try the DT 900s and decide you still want a dac/amp, I would get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. Much more accurate and will easily drive them very loud
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If an audio source has enough power to drive a pair of headphones to your preferred listening volume, with enough headroom to render dynamic peaks without distorting, then additional power will not help.
But it is possible that your PC might have some minor amount of noise and distortion. In which case an external dac/amp can eliminate that.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. And it will drive the HD660 as to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. It will work with Windows 10 and Android
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
There is also a more expensive version that comes with a lightning cable so it can be used with an iPhone.
So you could try it see what you think. Amazon has free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it.
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Looks to be identical just with a different housing. DAC chip is the same as the model I mentioned. It claims to have a balanced output as well.
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Per your recommendation I just bought a pair of the FiiO FH3s. I have a Note 10+, do you think I would need to splurge on a good DAC like this or do you think I could get away with the Samsung/Apple/Google one? I don’t want my purchase to be for nothing by cheaping out on a DAC but I also don’t want to spend unnecessarily
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Yes. For less, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle can drive them to moderately loud volume without any problem
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
The Sonata HD Pro measures more accurate than the E10K. Although you might not notice much or any difference if you could compare the two.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $60 measures very accurate, such that noise and distortion should be inaudible. And it will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with wonderful clarity
Amazon has free returns on it, so no penalty to try it since shipping back is free
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Neither of those two phones come with the headphone jack. So you don’t need to worry about the audio capability. You’re going to have to use an external DAC/amp to use headphones with it.
I use this one with my S21+
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
And I use USB Audio Player Pro app with it
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The Momentums are not hard to drive. Any DAP can drive them.
As far as for use with a phone, if you need a DAC/amp, the HIDISZ S8/Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is a more accurate measuring device than the Mojo
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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HiBy R5 Saber is a great DAP.
Of course for around $55, a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle will perfectly drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume. And it measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups, and more accurate than the Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle works great with HD560S
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because it will auto sense the HD560S as low impedance, you can fool it into high gain mode for more power by having the 3.5 mm adapter that comes with the HD560S plugged into the Sonata HD Pro when you connect it to your computer. Once your computer senses the dongle, then plug your headphone cable into the adapter.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle will work well with those headphones
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because it will auto sense them as low impedance, you can trick it into high gain mode for more power if you want.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is very good. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs. it just doesn’t have as much power, but we’ll drive the HD6XX to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Occasionally people have latency issues where they get cracks and pops with it. But most people find it works very well. Amazon has free returns for it, so you can try it and see if it works well for you.
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Sennheiser HD58X special edition from drop.com. They used to give a discount coupon when you register for the first time. Try and see.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle will drive the HD58X moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. So accurate that it is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I second the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups. Well it doesn’t have as much power is does desktop setups, it has plenty to drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with the highest fidelity sound reproduction.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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What source device are you plugging them into?
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures extremely accurate such that it is arguably noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing:
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
So depending on the sound quality of the device you’re using it with, you might get some improvement with it.
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Dragonflies are now outdated technology. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle outperforms the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt and it cost $39 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Free returns, so free return shipping if you don’t like it.
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You definitely should send the dragonfly back. They are way overpriced and today’s market. A $39 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures more accurate than even the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt. And perhaps it wouldn’t have whatever incompatibility issue you’re having with your smartphone.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Amazon has free returns, which means free return shipping if it doesn’t work out for you. So worth a try, as your headphones are not difficult to drive.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is as accurate as the best $200 USD amp/dac desktop setups
https://www.amazon.com.au/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/ref=mp_s_a_1_3
Just doesn’t have as much power. But will work well with 80 ohm headphones.
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Difficult to say how much improvement you would find. They are so easy to drive, that they almost never benefit from additional headphone amplifier power.
The $39 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle, which measures those accurate is the best $200 desktop amps, will easily drive them
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I prefer the HD58X to the HD6XX myself.
And if you decide you want a dac/amp, the $39 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measure so accurate that it is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. And it will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I prefer the HD58X to the HD6XX myself.
And if you decide you want a dac/amp, the $39 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measure so accurate that it is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. And it will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you do not listen very loud and/or do not plan on boosting the bass dramatically with EQ, the Meizu Hifi can be a good choice for the money.
The Pro version of that dongle is not unavailable. If you were considering the pro version, you can get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle, and it performs as well or better
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Philips X2HR and Sennheiser HD599 are both excellent headphones that are not very difficult to drive. I would read reviews and see which one sounds more appealing to you.
And if for whatever reason your laptop didn’t give you enough volume, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is an extremely accurate sounding dongle that would
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Atom stack and the Element are very similar in performance. You would be unlikely to tell much or any difference between them.
The Atom amp will drive 99% of headphones. So you’d be all set with it from then on.
I use the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle ss my DAC. It measures in accuracy right up there with the Atom DAC. I couldn’t tell the difference between it and my Topping D50S with my Atom, so I sold the D50S.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $39 on Amazon measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups. it measures so accurate that it is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. It just doesn’t have as much power as a desktop setup, but should work fine with your headphones.
It is currently out of stock at Amazon at the moment. But usually it comes back in stock within a week or two
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro sounds awesome with them
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because it will auto sense the X2HR is low impedance, if you want to coax it into high gain mode for a little more power, have a headphone extension connected to the Sonata HD Pro when you connect it to your computer or phone. Once your device recognizes it, then plug the X2HR into the extension.
I use a 6-in extension 3.5mm cable with mine.
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If you want a cheap and portable amp/DAC the Sonata HD Pro is solid but the amp isn’t very strong. It should suffice for the 300R’s though.
If you want to spend a bit more Fiio makes some nice portable amp/DACs like the BTR line.
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> Can I use one of those cheap little USB headphone DACs?
Yes, the apple $9 usb c dongle is perfectly fine, a $40 dongle like this one would be a good choice as well if you are a stickler for great measurements
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>since I also decided to invest in a Dragonfly Cobalt for when I have a budget for $500-600+ headphones in the future. I know its overkill for anything I’m getting right now.
It’s also way overpriced, as dongle technology has left for dramatically. The $40 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is more accurate than the Cobalt.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I had the MDR-1A and Momentum 2. I think the momentum 2 is the overall better sounding headphone. Based on what I’ve read of the new versions of those headphones, I’m sure I would find the same thing.
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I’m assuming you’re talking about using the BTR5 with your phone?
I prefer to use a DAP so I don’t run down my phone battery. Others like having everything all in one.
If you own an Android phone, and don’t need bluetooth, the $40 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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HD660S does okay on a smartphone at lower volumes.
If you have an Android phone, you can get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. It will drive the HD660S to moderately loud volume with Crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Most of them will be better than your old phone’s built in DAC. Apple DAC is really good for the price but there are some issues on android. The Sonata HD Pro is even better.
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Yes. If you stream music with your phone data plan with that DAC, you might hear noise caused by EMI. If you go look at their product page, they specifically warn about that.
If you don’t have to have bluetooth, get a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. It doesn’t have this issue
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>i use dell g3 laptop will I really need one ??
Difficult for anyone to predict as every computer is different. And people listen a different volumes.
You can always get a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro for $40 if you are not set aside with the sound with the 80 ohm
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Might be your motherboard that is causing the issue. Difficult to know.
You might want to try the Sonata HD Pro, which has excellent sound reproduction accuracy
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Amazon has free returns on it, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it.
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If you can find it in the UK, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 works great with the HD560S
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It will get very loud with crystal clear sound.
Because it will automatically go into low gain mode with the HD560S, You can get more power out of it by having the adapter for the HD560S plugged into the Sonata HD Pro when you connect it to your computer. Then plug the headphone cable in a few seconds after that. That fools it into going into high gain.
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Well, if you have a fairly recent Android phone, I would strongly recommend trying the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. And that’s amazing sound and Amazon has free returns on it, which means free return shipping if it doesn’t work
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>i still can’t get the apple dac to sound louder or as good as the inbuilt dacs of my phone.
You want the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle that is currently on special for Prime Day
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. And it has noticeably more headphone power output then my Samsung S9 plus. However, it does have an auto gain setting. So if you’re using low impedance headphones and you want more power, you have to fool it by having a headphone extension plugged in.
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They are fairly easy to drive.
If you decide you want an external DAC/amp, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will drive them to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Just a note that if you wanted a high quality DAC/amp to use with your laptop or an Android phone, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is excellent. It just won’t drive difficult to drive headphones. But for example, it would drive the HD560S to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound.
Currently on special for Prime Day
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
They have a separate model listed on Amazon with a special lightning cable for iOS.
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The Ananda are low impedance with decent sensitivity. Even a smartphone should be able to drive them.
I would get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro for $40 on Amazo. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs and will easily drive your headphones
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I have two of them 🙂
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC’s. It just doesn’t have as much power. But it will have plenty to drive the HD560S to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures more accurate than any of the dragonflies, including the $300 cobalt
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
If the Sonata HD Pro is not available to you, I would buy the Fiio BTR5 before the Dragonfly Red.
That being said, a good headphone for you could be the Hifiman Sundara. However, because it is difficult to drive, I would get the Fiio K5 Pro amp/DAC.
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They are not difficult to drive. Some people greatly benefit from a DAC/amp because their headphones are difficult for a PC to drive.
Checkout the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. Extremely accurate and plenty of power for your headphones
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures more accurate than the Magni / Modi stack. Since the SR80e don’t need much power, it would sound the same.
Save yourself some money https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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My recommendation would be to skip the BTR5 and get yourself a better pair of open back headphones, ones that are easy to drive and don’t need an amp. Or ones that will work with the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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DT770 all right good choice if you like bass unless you’re a basshead who likes really heavy bass.
Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 has very good sound and can drive the 80 ohm DT770
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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You might get some improvement over motherboard audio due to the sometimes noisy nature of PCs.
The LCD-X are very easy to drive. Get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amps/DACs. So accurate, that it is arguably noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing. And it would have plenty of power for the LCD-X
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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HD560S seem like they might be a good choice for you, based on reviews.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. It just has less power, but plenty for the HD560s
I have used it with HD58X and HD660S and it works well.
Not sure where to buy it in the UK
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
You can order it from AliExpress.
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I have the wired version of the momentum 2.
They are easy to drive. If you want to experience great DAC/amp quality, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DACs. it just doesn’t have a switch power, which you don’t need.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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What make/model headphones do you have?
If they are not difficult to drive, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC’s. It just doesn’t have as much power, yet will still drive many headphones
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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They can be not connected together.
It will sense the HD599 as low impedance and set itself automatically to low gain.
If you want more volume out of it, you can attach a short headphone extension to it. Then it will automatically go into high gain mode. And then plug your headphones into that after it senses the extension
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Yep. But if you want more power out of it, you can fool it into high gain by having a headphone extension plugged into it before you plug in your headphones. I use this 6-in extension
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>The only issue I have is that I have to constantly unplug my USB cable and replug it to get sound out of it. It’s got a weird quirk where it’s not on by default, it’s only on when you plug in the headphones.
What device are you using them with? I use my Sonata HD Pro as the DAC for my JDS Labs Atom with Windows 10, and I never have to plug or unplug it.
You could also try leaving a headphone extension plugged in it. I use the 6-in extension with my Focal Elear when using it with my phone to fool it into high gain
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you’re going to get the Magni 3+, not sure what the point is in spending $150 on the G6. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 is a more accurate measuring DAC.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Or spend $100 on the Modi 3 if you need optical and/or have trouble accepting that a dongle could be as good a DAC (which it is).
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because it will sense your headphones as low impedance, if you want additional volume out of it, you can fool it into high gain mode. Just attach a headphone extension to it first. Then plug your headphones into that. I use a 6-in extension. But it should be plenty loud without that.
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HD58X can be easily driven to moderately loud volume with the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle, which is more accurate measuring than the Fiio amps you are considering. Sonata HD Pro measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you decide you want a DAC/amp, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will drive your headphones very well
https://www.amazon.com/Amplificador-Sonata-PRO-decodificaci%C3%B3n-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Since the Sonata HD Pro would automatically set itself to low gain for your headphones, if you want more power out of it, simply plug in a headphone extension into it first, then your headphones into that.
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One of the thought to help you out. If you want a DAC/amp to improve sound quality, the Elegia are easily driven by the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. The Sonata HD Pro has the same sound quality as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups, just less power. Which the Elegia don’t need more power than that.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
So cost of Sundara plus amp/DAC is a lot more if you were looking to buy a $200 Schiit or JDS Labs Atom stack.
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>I was looking at the HD6XX with a JDS Atom AMP and DAC (if needed).
You may not need it with the HD6XX. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 can drive the HD6XX to moderately loud volume as well as the Atom stack.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Depends on how good your source device is. You might notice an improvement in sound. You might not feel it is significant.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will easily drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The HD599 are easy to drive.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures as well as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. It just doesn’t have enough power. But more than enough for HD599.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
The Sonata HD Pro will sense your headphones as low impedance. If you ever want to get more power out of it, you can trick it into high gain mode by simply plugging a headphone extension into it first, then plug your headphones into that. I just use the 6 inch extension with my 80 ohm Focal Elears
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It doesn’t have to cost a lot.
The HD660S are not too difficult to drive. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 can drive them to moderately loud volume, and it measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs.
For example, my HD660S at moderate volume sound just as good with the Sonata HD Pro as they do with my $250 amp/DAC setup
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Meze 99 Classic are not difficult to drive. You might find that your smartphone drives them loud enough for you.
Meanwhile, Dragonflies are obsolete. The $40 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro measures more accurate than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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JDS Labs Atom or Schiit Heresy amp for $100 plus Apple USB-C dongle is much better than iFi Zen. Or, if you are good with moderately loud volume, the Sonata HD Pro u/t4tris recommended will work great.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
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If you are on a budget, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will easily drive them to moderately loud volume, and it sounds as good as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC setups. I have used it with the HD58X with Android and Windows.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Not necessarily. Depends on what you use it with.
If you want to see how it sounds with a DAC/amp, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro for $40 measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC setups. And it has enough power to run the DT1990 at moderately loud volume with clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
If you ever decide you want more volume, it can also be used as a DAC with a headphone amp like the JDS Labs Atom.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures even more accurate than the Meizu. And it has a full 2V DAC output, which is the standard, in case you ever wanted to add an external headphone amp (Meizu is 1V).
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
One downside. It auto senses the impedance, and so automatically sets the gain. The X2HR would automatically be set to low gain. Which might be fine for you.
But if you want more power out of it, you can fool it by having a headphone extension cord plugged into it. I use a 6-in extension with my 80 ohm Focal Elears. And then it senses infinite resistance and goes in high gain mode. Then plug the X2HR into the extension. Only takes a couple seconds to do this, So not really a big deal.
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Unless your headphones are difficult to drive, see if you can find the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups here in the US.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Then use EQ to add more bass if you need it.
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What the other poster said about the Apple and Meizu dongles. IEMs are not difficult to power, so there’s no need for you to spend money on a desktop amp/DAC setup. you’ll get more power out of something like that, but you won’t get better sound quality.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is another dongle in that budget range that performs very well
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 has excellent sound quality and might solve your problem. It will also easily drive your headphones.
https://www.amazon.com/Amplificador-Sonata-PRO-decodificaci%C3%B3n-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because your headphones are 50 ohms, the auto impedance sensing will set to low gain. so if you were to find you wanted more volume out of the Sonata HD Pro, just plug a headphone extension into it first. Then it will sense infinite resistance, and you can plug the HD599 into the extension.
Or you could go with the Meizu HiFi Pro for $45 which does not have that auto impedance sensing.
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Those headphones are very easy to drive.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 has more than enough power for your headphones, and it measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC’s, better than the E10K.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Schiit Modi (99), JDS Atom (99), Tempotec Sonata (39), Running the analog out from your motherboard (free)
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The S9 is great if you are going to used balanced cables. But if not, then the S8 or Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is going to work about as well. You can get the Sonata HD Pro off Amazon for $60, with free return shipping if you don’t like it. So I would recommend trying it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Meanwhile, I use my Sonata HD Pro as a DAC with my headphone amp. So you could always get a JDS Labs Atom or Schiit Heresy to use with later on.
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I use the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle with my S21+
$59 on Amazon with free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If this is for desktop I see no reason to get an AVR. Too many features that you won’t use. You can get an excellent DAC and a good amp for about $110 all in.
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The HIDISZ S8 measures as accurate in sound quality as $200 desktop amp/DACs
Same unit (different enclosure/different branding): https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Works well with headphones that are not difficult to drive.
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Do not buy any of the Dragonfly Black that u/shoewalker1 recommended. They’re kind of obsolete now. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 off Amazon measures significantly more accurate than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
The Sonata HD Pro is the same as the HIDIZS S8, different branding and enclosure, and it measures as well as the best $100 desktop DAC’s
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M50X are not difficult to drive.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures extremely accurate. So much so that it is arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing, right up there with $200 desktop amp/dac setups. And it will drive the M50X.
Since Amazon has it with free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it, I would give it a try
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
>But I imagine that my M50x with a Hi-Res player will get so much more quality than a wireless pair of headphones.
Don’t get caught up in the marketing of HiRes. People generally can’t tell the difference between CD quality and HiRes.
>Going to spotify and just press play is way more comfortable.
Turn off volume normalization on Spotify so it doesn’t compress the audio. That often helps with sound quality.
Meanwhile, when they can’t tell which they’re listening to, a lot of people either can’t tell or find a little difference between high bit rate lossy like Spotify Premium and lossless audio. I would recommend that you try some of these tests
So if you like Spotify, I would just stick with it.
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If you listen at moderate volume, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle will do quite well with the HD6XX
You can buy it from Amazon with free returns coming, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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No. Dragonflies are overpriced.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $60 measures more accurate than any of the dragonflies, including the Cobalt. And it has plenty of power for the HD660S, unless you’re trying to make your ears bleed.
Amazon has it with free shipping, which means free returns if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I use the schitt heresy with the sonata pro usb dac. Runs like a champ and can’t get the knob past 1 o’clock even with moderate hearing damage.
Heresy: https://www.schiit.com/products/magni-1
Sonata pro: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084YX4MZD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glc_fabc_5CS278S1PSWQN9X32W7J
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. Same unit as the HIDISZ S8, which measures extremely freaking accurate
The Sonata HD Pro is $38 on Amazon with free returns if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I would definitely look into HE400i and HE5XX. But you definitely might need an amp with either one of those. Particularly if you decide to boost the bass a little.
If you don’t have anything connected to the outputs on your Solo, the best option is an Atom or Heresy amp for $100. The Solo has a decent dac, and those are stellar amps that will work well with almost any headphone you might buy in the future.
The HIDISZ S8/Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle actually works very well with my HE5XX and measure super accurate. And I believe it has a little more power than the Solo.
And the Tempotec version of it sells for $39 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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HIDISZ S8/Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle (same unit with different branding) measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs. It just doesn’t have as much power, but your headphones are easy to drive. And it measures better than the Dragonfly Black.
Cost $39 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Has free returns, so if you don’t notice much difference, you can send it back free shipping
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They are not difficult too drive. Try a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. it measures so freaking accurate that it is arguably noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
You can also fool the Sonata HD Pro into thinking they are high impedance headphones and put out even more power by using a headphone extension cable.
I have this one plugged into my Sonata HD Pro. Once my phone or computer recognizes this not HD Pro, then I plug my headphones into it
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I agree with the other poster. I have the Sonata HD Pro and a Shanling M2X DAP. For your use, you should get the Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Don’t waste your money. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B084YX4MZD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 this is better in every way. Yes I know it’s super cheap, but in this case the price is not reflective of what you get.
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Those are easy to drive. Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. Measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because the TYGR 300 are 32 ohm, the Sonata HD Pro will automatically set itself to low gain. If you ever want more power of the Sonata HD Pro, just plug a headphone extension in first, and then the headphones after that. I use this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QG1CCTF/r
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures as well as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. It just doesn’t have as much power. But your headphones are not difficult to drive
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The HIDIZS S8 is the same as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle, but in a different enclosure with different branding. The other items are different DAC dongles. Skip them. This is what you want
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I got this one. Drives even my harder to drive headphones and measures perfectly. Same internals but the TempoTec is a lot cheaper.
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Your headphones are easy to drive. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures extremely accurate. As accurate as the best $200 desktop/amp setups
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Read these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
So this will make them sound as good or better than they do on your buddies amp / DAC setup
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
See these reviews to learn
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
No need to spend more as your headphones are easy to drive, and the Sonata HD Pro sounds is good as the best $200 desktop DAC/amps.
See these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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The Denon D5200 has a different sound signature from the DT880. Could be you would like it better. Could be you wouldn’t.
The Denon 5200 are low impedance with high sensitivity. They are very easy to drive.
If you want to see how they would sound with a $200 desktop amp/DAC setup, check out the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon. It competes in quality with the best $200 Setups. It just doesn’t happen but as much power, which you don’t need
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
if you decide later on you still want to upgrade to a new headphone that needs a more powerful amp, the Sonata HD Pro works well as a DAC. It measures better than the Schiit Modi 3 DAC. See my review of using it as a DAC
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Well, definitely don’t spend more than $130. That E30 measures as well as $1,000 DACs.
The engineering of inexpensive DACs has advanced dramatically in the last few years, particularly with what’s been made available in the last year. So there’s still brands that have expensive DACs that don’t measure very well because they can capitalize off their brand name.
Meanwhile, there’s even a dongle DAC that measures about as accurate as that E30
It’s also released under a different brand name as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro, can be bought off Amazon for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Do you have an Android phone? If your headphones are not very difficult to drive, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 from Amazon measures more accurate than the E10K, as well as the best $200 desktop amps / DACs, better than the $300 Audioquest Cobalt
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Read these to reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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No need to spend that much. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle goes for around $40 on Amazon and easily drives my HD660S to loud volumes.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
And it measures more accurate than the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups. It sounds just as good as my JDS Labs Atom/Topping D50S with the HD660S.
Works well on Android and Windows. Not sure about Apple.
The Tempotec is the same as the HIDIZS S8 (different enclosure and branding). See this measurement review https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/hidizs-s8-usb-c-headphone-adapter-review.10823/
And these user testimonial reviews
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
If you ever buy more difficult to drive headphones later, you can always use the Tempotec as a DAC alone and add an external desktop amp to it.
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You can start by replacing that USB sound card with the Apple dongle. You may need a USB-C to USB-A adapter though.
Staying in the realm of dongles, the Tempotec Sonata is very good too.
If you like those, then you can start going down the rabbit hole of headphones, amps, dacs, and more!
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I’m not familiar with the DH80. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro or HIDISZ S8 should provide as much power as the dragonfly that you have, and it is more accurate. Then the S9 Pro would provide more power through its balance connection. And all of these dongles are easily arguable to be noise and distortion free in the range of human hearing. And they would have no trouble driving your Denons.
Consequently, these dongles are very popular over buying a larger unit that has a battery in it. Amazon has free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it, on the Sonata HD Pro. So no penalty for trying it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
So you may not find many people have bought the DH80. You can check out Head-Fi user reviews
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They are very easy to drive. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures extremely accurate and could work well with them. Amazon has it on sale
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you want a cheaper replacement, get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle island is on sale for Black Friday
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It measures so accurate that it would be audibly indistinguishable from the Atom DAC
However, a very small percentage of people find that it’s incompatible with their PC. So best to order from Amazon where it has free returns in case it doesn’t work for you.
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Is this the one you mean for the DAC you recommend? Can’t seem to find it in stock anywhere
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Headphone-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android-Black/dp/B084YX4MZD
The amps are also impossible to get for some reason, darn Stock 🙁
Thanks for your help gonna do a bit more reading hopefully can find an alternative in stock somewhere! (not sure how the thanks thing works, helpfully that’s right)
!thanks
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Your IEMs aren’t defective, they’re just very sensitive. Most built-in computer sound cards are not very good quality and will have hissing and other noises when you use them with sensitive headphones like most IEMs. If the hiss bothers you, you can get something like this Tempotec Sonata DAC/amp https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD or you can shop around for other DAC/amps at other price points.
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I got tempotec sonata hd pro, good enough and portable. It’s a good little dongle that makes wonders.
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>Do I select source audio as the USB DAC/AMP
Yes.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle will drive the HD660S to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Try the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. It’s the cheapest (good) dongle that will drive your headphones pretty well. It is like $40 used. Sources: Price, 58X Power Requirements, Tempotec Sonata HD Pro Power.
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https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=sonata+hd+pro&qid=1628561926&sr=8-2
Your soundcard or motherboard probably can’t drive your headset, this amplifies that essentially
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle works great with my HD660S
I actually have two of them. One for use with my Android phone and tablet. The other I use as a DAC with my desktop headphone amp. Have used it with an Atom, L30, and THX 789.
Amazon has them with free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it. Worth giving it a shot
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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For moderately loud volume, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for <$60 works great with the HD660S and measures more accurate than the K5 Pro:
Then if you ever get more difficult to drive headphones, you can always use it as a DAC connected to a separate headphone amp. I’m currently using mine with the THX 789, and have used it with the Atom.
Amazon has free returns on it, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it. So no penalty to try
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you’d rather spend a lot less, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is excellent for less than $60
Amazon has free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Since it will auto sense the M50X as low impedance, you can fool it into high gain for even more power. Just have some kind of adapter or extension plugged into the Sonata HD Pro when you connect it to your computer or phone. Then wants your device recognizes the Sonata HD pro, plug the m50x into the adapter. Something like one of these
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Try a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. Measures extremely accurate
Amazon has it with free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Try it with the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle if using Android. Measures very accurate and will easily drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with clear sound
Amazon has free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t find a difference
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is a more accurate dac/amp then the FX Audio
$59 on Amazon with free returns, which means free return shipping if you don’t like it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures much, much more accurate than the Cobalt for $58
Amazon has it for free returns, which means free return shipping. I suggest giving it a try
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you are clueless, are you sure you need one? Try the headphone out or if you must buy a DAC, tempotec is cheap and good.
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Don’t buy a dragonfly. They are outdated in today’s market at their price. For example, the HIDISZ S8 outperforms the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is the same dongle with a different enclosure in branding, and it’s a little over $50
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Audio Science Review is a good website for discovering which dacs and amps measure well for the price.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is super accurate. so accurate that it is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It will auto sense the impedance, And use low gain mode. You might have to fool it into high gain mode if it doesn’t get loud enough.
You can do so by first having a headphone extension cable plugged into the Sonata HD Pro. Once your laptop senses the Sonata HD pro, then plug your headphones into the extension. I use this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07QG1CCTF
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This is the one I have
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It can be found cheaper on AliExpress. It does do auto gain sensing.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is the same as the HIDISZ S8. Just different enclosure and branding, but a good bit cheaper
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I actually have two of them. lol
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Would the TempoTec Sonata HD Pro https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD be enough to drive the “Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 58X Jubilee Headphones”?
Thanks in advance!
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Congrats on your new headphones!
The clamp typically loosens up a bit over time.
If you listen at moderate volume, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $39 on Amazon will do a very good job with the HD6XX
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
The Sonata HD Pro is the same dongle as the HIDISZ S8, and it measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups
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Yep, there are even dongles that measure about that accurate. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is $39 on Amazon and is the same unit as the HIDISZ S8
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you listen at more moderate volumes, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $39 works well with the HD6XX
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $39 on Amazon will easily power them to moderately loud volume, with very accurate sound reproduction
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Don’t buy any more dragonflies.
The HIDISZ S8 measures more accurate than all of the dragonflies, including the Cobalt
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is the same unit. Different enclosure with different branding. And it cost $39 on Amazon, as opposed to $300 for the Cobalt
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Amazon has free returns on it, which means free return shipping, so you could see what you think.
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HIDISZ S8 measures as well as the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups in terms of high fidelity sound reproduction
Tempetec Sonata HD Pro dongle is the same unit with a different enclosure and different branding. Works so well, I have one to use with my phone, and one that I use as a DAC with my computer and my headphone amp.
It is usually $39 at Amazon but out of stock at the moment
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
Seems like it usually gets back in stock within a couple weeks.
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Know that the dragonflies have been left behind in the market.
HIDISZ S8 measures more accurate than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt
it is available rebranded in a different enclosure for $39 on Amazon as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Work so well, I have two of them 🙂
They also make some a version that comes with a lightning cable and works with iOS
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-iOS/dp/B083QZLYB3/
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Have you seem the HIDISZ S8? Measures extremely accurate and can put out 2V output like a desktop DAC
I use the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro version of it (just different branding and enclosure) with my THX 789. It costs $39 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Can’t even see I have a DAC in my setup.
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>I’ve been looking for the Dragonfly Cobalt, but I’ve seen some critical reviews about it, so I’m quite confused…
There have been great advances in engineering of DACs/amps in the last couple of years, and the Cobalt is kind of outdated in the market.
The HIDISZ S8 is more accurate
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is the same unit, only with different branding and different enclosure. It sells for $39 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I use it with my HD660S and my Samsung S9 Plus, and it produces crystal clear sound at moderate. Amazon has free returns on it which means free return shipping if you don’t like it.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle cost $39 on Amazon and is the same as the HIDISZ S8.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
They measure as accurate has the best $200 desktop amp/dac setups
The Sonata HD Pro easily drives my HD660S to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. Works well with my Samsung S9 plus and with Windows.
If you need a lightning adapter for your phone, they also make a version that comes with that
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-iOS/dp/B083QZLYB3/
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I used to own the Topping D50S ($250). Then I got the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. Same dongle as the HIDISZ S8, which measures up there with the D50S and other much more expensive DACs
Couldn’t tell any difference between the D50S and the Sonata HD Pro, so I sold the D50S. The Sonata HD Pro is $37
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
A few people have seemed to have pops and stuttering issues with the Sonata HD Pro and their specific PC (probably latency issue). But many others find it works well. Amazon has free return shipping, so worth giving it a try and see how it does for you on your computer.
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If you want something portable, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $37 on Amazon measures is accurate as the Atom stack. It just doesn’t have as much power.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/Tempotec&sr=8-3
However it will do quite well with the DT770 80 ohm. And because it will auto sense those headphones as low impedance, you can fool it into high gain mode to get even more power out of it. Just attach a headphone extension cable to the Sonata HD Pro for connecting it to your laptop. Once your laptop senses the Sonata HD pro, then plug in the headphones.
I use the six inch extension with mine
https://www.amazon.com/TNP-Headphone-Extender-Extension-Adapter/dp/B07QG1CCTF/
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>A portable option like the Dragonfly Red seems perfect for me and pretty easy to set up.
Dongle technology has greatly advanced in the last couple of years, and Dragonflies are no longer a good price/performance value. The HIDISZ S8 out performs even the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt in terms of accuracy: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/hidizs-s8-usb-c-headphone-adapter-review.10823/
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is the same unit in a different enclosure with different branding and cost $37 https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>Tried running them from my S9+, but after turning the volume all the way up, I simply had to conclude they needed more to be truly appreciated.
Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $38 on Amazon will work great with your S9+ and your headphones. I use it with my S9+
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It’s actually more accurate than your current setup. This is the same dongle with different branding and enclosure
Since your headphones are 30 ohms, the Sonata HD Pro will automatically go into low gain mode. You can fool it by having a headphone extension plugged into it when connecting the Sonata HD Pro to your phone. Then plug the headphone cable into the extension once the phone recognizes the dongle. I use this one
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The E10K has a reputation as an excellent price/performance value.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $38 on Amazon is actually a more accurate dac/amp.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
However, it has less power than E10K. And, because it would auto sense the low impedance of the DT 770 80 ohm, you would have to fool it into high gain mode with an extension cable if you want full power out of it.
I have this cable I use with it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07QG1CCTF
I leave it plugged in. Once your computer or phone recognizes the Sonata HD Pro, then you can plug the headphones in and it will be in high gain mode.
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Check out Tempotec Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
The HIDISZ S8 is the same unit. Measures extremely freaking accurate
If you listen at moderately loud volume, then it might give you enough headphone amp output. Free return shipping with Amazon on it, so worth giving a shot.
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 has excellent sound quality
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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What makes / model headphones do you have?
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle might be a very good choice for you
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon will drive your M50X
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-drs1_0
Works with Android and Windows. It’s also the same unit as the HIDISZ S8, which is easily asily arguable to be noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon will drive your new headphones
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-drs1_0
Works with Android and Windows. It’s also the same unit as the HIDISZ S8, which is far more accurate than the ifi Zen. Easily arguable to be noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing
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HIDISZ S8 measures better than any of the Dragonflies, including the Cobalt
Measures in accuracy up there near the L30/E30 desktop setup. It just doesn’t have as much power output as a desktop setup.
Also available with different enclosure and branding as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups. Same unit as the HIDISZ S8
The Sonata HD Pro will automatically set itself to low gain for the HD560S. If you want more power out of it, plug the adapter cable for the HD560S into the Sonata HD Pro. Once your computer or phone registers the Sonata HD Pro then plug in the headphones into the adapter. That will fool it into high gain mode.
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HIDISZ S8 measures extremely freaking accurate
Also available in a different enclosure with different branding as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on amazon.
But you might not find any significant sound difference between it and your LG phone. However, it has free returns, so you could try it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon will drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups. In other words, you won’t get higher fidelity from spending more. Just more volume:
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Sonata HD Pro will easily drive them
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It measures more accurate than a CMOY, as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups.
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get a simple USB DAC/Amp, I recommend this one, it’s dirt cheap and is very well reviewed.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
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>I don’t have balanced cables for the 58X. They don’t seem like a good purchase yet considering budget.
Balanced cables do not add a sound improvement benefit. Balanced output for headphones is useful when you have difficult to drive headphones, and so a balanced amp can provide more power. The HD58X are not difficult to drive, so I would not worry about balanced.
Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups and while drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound: https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
The Sonata HD Pro is so accurate that it is easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. The HIDISZ S8 is the same dongle:
Compared that to the ifi Zen’s DAC
The Sonata HD Pro is much better.
If you want a desktop setup with a volume control, a JDS Labs Atom or Schiit Heresy amp for $100 plus an Apple USB-C dongle to use as a DAC is a better setup than the iFi Zen.
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Just know that “scaling” is a controversial topic. The audio science tells us that if an amp can drive a pair of headphones to the listeners preferred volume, without distortion, with enough headroom for dynamic peaks, then additional power doesn’t do anything. Your K371 are easy to drive.
Meanwhile, a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will easily drive them. And it measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. So accurate that it is easily arguable that it is noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing. That’s the highest fidelity you can get. https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The HD660S are not too difficult to drive. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle has very accurate sound reproduction and can easily drive them. There are two versions. One comes with a lightning adapter
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-iOS/dp/B083QZLYB3/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>Sorry my ignorance but having more sampling rate would give me more levels of signals ?
Your ears are the problem. There are limits to human hearing.
CD quality 44.1/16 bit pretty much gets you there. There are some arguments to be made that 44.1/24bit might theoretically offer some tiny improvement in sound. But it’s really not worth worrying about since most of us don’t listen loud enough to take advantage of the extra dynamic range.
>Do you know anything good around the 60/70€ budget ?
Depends on which headphones you end up with. The HIDISZ S8 is an excellent dongle that would work well with a lot of headphones. Also sold in a different enclosure as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. Assuming you don’t get 250 ohm for higher studio headphones, it will work very well and is more accurate than E10K.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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HD58X are fairly easy to drive.
Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 works great with them. It will drive them to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon measures extremely accurate. As accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC’s.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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For easy to drive headphones, the Apple USB-C dongle for $9 is actually very good
For more headphone amp output and even more accurate DAC quality, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It has more output than my Samsung S9 plus headphone jack.
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Check out how freaking accurate the HIDIZS S8 measures. It is arguably noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing
That is as good as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon is the same dongle with different branding and different enclosure
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If you listen at more moderate volume, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 works very well. I have used it with the HD6XX and my Samsung S9+
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups. It just doesn’t get as loud. But I find that it drives the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
If you still decide you want more volume after that, the Sonata HD Pro can be used as a DAC with amps like the Atom or the Heresy. See my review https://www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/comments/ibmnnf/best_budget_dac_tempotec_sonata_hd_pro_usbc_dongle/
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This:
Also sold in the US for $40 and other places as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
It has been so popular lately, it often goes out of stock for a few days.
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>I like stuff to sound balanced and clean, I have an audio engineering background so I love clean
Well, you’re going to love this. Check out these measurements for the HIDIZS S8
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is the same unit with different branding and enclosure and cost $40 in the US
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I don’t know if it’s available to you in the UK. It is available for that price on AliExpress.
Here is my review of using it as a DAC with a headphone amp. So you always have the option later of adding a more powerful amp if you want
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No.
Get a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro instead. As what u/raistlin65 usually says, Dragonflies are pretty much obsolete. The Sonata HD Pro costs only $40 yet it measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop DACs/amps, let alone better than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt.
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
(A similar model is the Hidizs S8, both it and the Sonata HD Pro pretty much have identical internal hardware, save the different enclosures.)
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I have this. I shoots well above what it’s price would suggest. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B084YX4MZD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Agree with the other poster. You should look into the newly released Sennheiser HD560S.
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd-560s/
They are also fairly easy to drive, and a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 would drive them to moderately loud volume with the same sound quality as a $200 desktop amp/DAC setup
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Actually, looks like it’s $32 for Prime Day
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If you are happy with the sound without one, no. You don’t *need* one.
If you want one anyway, see if you can find the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It drives my HD660S to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound and measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups.
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>Sometimes I hear random popping noises before playback but idk if I should upgrade.
Could be just a different USB DAC would solve the problem. Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle $40 on Amazon measures is accurate is the best $100 desktop amp/DACs and would likely be indistinguishable in sound quality from the E30. Amazon has free returns on it, so free return shipping if it doesn’t solve
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Here is my review of using it with the Atom. If you notice any pops and clicks, be sure to install the driver I mentioned
Otherwise, if the problem continues, an optical DAC you could help. Do you have an optical connection with your computer?
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What make / model headphones are you getting?
If not difficult to drive, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 maybe your best choice. It measures extremely accurate
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. It measures as accurate as $200 desktop amp / DAC setups.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because it will go into low impedance mode with 80 ohm headphones, I use this 6-in extension so that it will sense high gain and give my Focal Elears more power
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07QG1CCTF
just connect the extension first. Then connect the headphones into that.
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Or you can get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 which is an excellent measuring DAC/amp. Connects via USB-C to your phone.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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the HD58X are easily driven moderately loud volume crystal clear sound by the $40 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DACs
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Look into the new Sennheiser HD560S
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd-560s/
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Sonata HD Pro is $40 here in the US
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. Measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. It just doesn’t have as much power, but plenty for the TYGR 300 R
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 has sound quality to match the best $200 desktop and / DAC’s. I use it with my S9 plus and it works great
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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X2HR are currently $130 on the woot. Heck of a deal if their sound signature is something you would like
https://electronics.woot.com/offers/philips-x2hr-00-fidelio-open-air-headphone-black
Sennheiser is releasing the HD560S this week. Looks like it will be another excellent contender in the <$200 range
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd-560s/
Sundara are an excellent headphone. But they really will need an amp.
HD58X, HD560S, and X2HR are easy to drive and often do not need an amp. If you want one anyway, Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 has sound quality to match the best $200 desktop and / DAC’s and enough power for those three headphones
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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First of all, the HD58X are not difficult to drive. If connected to a computer, you likely do not need more headphone amplifier power.
I would recommend the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. Measures is accurate as the best desktop amp/DACs, and will easily drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Finally, the HD560S are releasing this week. Might want to look into them and make sure you wouldn’t prefer them more
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd-560s/
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DT1990 are fairly easy to drive.
First, you should try the headphone jack on your MacBook Pro. They are known for having good audio quality, and it could be better than the E10K.
If you still want better sound, try the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop headphone amp / DAC setups
Not sure if you need the model that comes with the Apple adapter
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-iOS/dp/B083QZLYB3/
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How loud do you listen? If you can go without optical, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle can drive the HD6XX to moderately loud volume.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Dragonflies are overpriced in todays market. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures more accurate than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>Yes, but WTF are you doing with a Ferrari if you’re not willing to spend the money on premium gas
The ifi Zen is overhyped, overpriced, low octane gas in your analogy. The DAC is meh (MacBook is probably better), and the single ended headphone amp output is not impressive
Since the HD660S are not difficult to drive, the HIDIZS S8 is a better choice
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/hidizs-s8-usb-c-headphone-adapter-review.10823/
Also released in a different enclosure with different branding as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I’ve recently purchased Sonata HD PRO following the recommendations on this sub. It is pretty portable and lightweight. There is another version here with support for iPad and iPhone. I am so happy with the performance/clarity of this little guy.
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>With phones, and now my Tab S6 dropping support for the 3.5mm jack, bluetooth is somewhat important to me.
Why? There are dongles with amazing sound quality. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro and Meizu HiFi Pro dongles measure very accurate, as well or better than any phone. They both put out more headphone amp power than my Samsung S9 plus can.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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If it’s not working, send it back. Get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Sounds as good as the $200 desktop amp/dacs. See these reviews
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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I agree with u/akebonochan on both recommendations. The Sonata HD Pro worked great for me with the HD58X. Moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound.
The HIDIZS S8 is the same dongle as the Tempotec. Just a different enclosure and branding. Make sure it looks like one of these two, as there’s some confusing naming by HIDIZS with other, different dongles that are not the same.
https://www.hidizs.net/products/hidizs-s8-hifi-decoding-amplifier
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
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Dragonflies are obsolete. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 is a much more accurate DAC than even the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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A JDS Labs Atom stack is far more accurate than a Dragonfly Red and has way more power than you need.
As for portable, the Dragonflies are now obsolete. Check out the HIDIZS S8
Is accurate as a good desktop amp/DAC setup. Available with a different enclosure and different branding as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
For that matter, you should just try it first before buying a desktop setup.
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Could be the LV40 is different. But their reputation is to be excellent.
However, if you want to see what a really good DAC sounds like to know for sure, check out the HIDIZS S8
It is also sold as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle in a different enclosure with different branding
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
When I switch it out with my Topping D50S desktop DAC, sounds the same with my Atom headphone amp. Works with windows, so you could use your PC to get the same kind of sound quality.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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In my experience, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle can drive them the HD650/HD6Xx to moderately loud volume. Should be able to do the same with the HD600
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Make sure you’re looking at the correct Tempotec model. Here it is
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Make sure you get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro and not the HIDIZS Sonata HD Pro. Two different devices, and they don’t look the same. Here is the Tempotec
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Maybe the TempoTec Sonata HD PRO. I have no experience with it but a lot of people say this is a great amp/DAC if you just need something barebones.
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The 1mii you mentioned doesn’t have a usb input.
If you want something all in one I would go with the commonly recommended SMSL ad18 or sa300 ($140 ish) depending on if you need a headphone jack or not.
If you don’t care if the dac and amp are separate you could get a small amp similar to the one you suggested (around $50-70, many options which are all basically the same which may or may not include bluetooth) and a USBC dongle DAC which can range from the Apple dongle ($9) to a tempotec ($40) to a Schiit Modi ($100) to anything between or above as your heart desires.
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You can get the “Holy Grail” of sound quality out of the your Custom Studios for $40 since they are easy to drive.
DAC engineering as greatly advanced in the last few years, and the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measure so accurate, that a more accurate, more expensive DAC / headphone amp would sound the same due to the limits of human hearing.
In other words, you could buy a $250 DAC / headphone amp setup, it’s going to sound the same with your headphones because they don’t need the extra power that a desktop setup would have.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Works well with Windows and Android. Not sure about Apple.
See these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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JDS Labs Atom amp.
https://jdslabs.com/product/atom-amp/
Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. This dongle measures up there with the best $100 DACs an overall performance, and it has full 2V output that is standard for DACs that you need.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
And if you have an Android phone, that also gives you a killer mobile DAC/amp dongle to use.
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$190 for the Nextdrive Spectra X? I can definitely tell you that’s a rip off.
The HIDIZS S8 dongle measures extremely accurate. Much more accurate than the $300 Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt. So accurate that it competes with $1,000 DAC’s. A more accurate DAC is going to sound the same due to the limits of human hearing. Therefore, you can’t spend more money and get better sound quality out of a dongle.
The S8 is also available rebranded in a different enclosure as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40. That’s right. $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I have tested it, and it does indeed sound as good as my Topping L30 and D50S desktop amp / DAC setup. The Sonata HD Pro just doesn’t have as much power.
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M50X are a good headphone at that price. I prefer them over AKG K371.
You could save some money on the DAC/amp. Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 and will drive them with crystal clear sound to moderately loud volume, and beats out the $300 Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt dongle
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC setups.
See these reviews to learn more https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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I used to have the HD58X and the HD6XX. I prefer HD6XX for classical and some jazz, but for most other genres, I prefer HD58X because they are more engaging due to slightly large sound stage and more balanced sound. so it’s really a personal thing as to which is better
They’re also easier to drive. Consequently, you could pick up the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 and it will drive them with crystal clear sound to moderately loud volume, and beats out the $300 Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt dongle
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp / DAC setups. You can spend more money to get more power, but not to get more accurate sound.
See these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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The HD660S are easy to drive. you really might want to try them first with what you have.
Do not buy Schiit multibit DAC upgrades. They perform much worse than without the upgrade.
The $40 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures more accurate than the Magni/Modi 3 stack. Works with Windows and Android. Not sure about Apple.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It drives the HD660S to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound. I have both the HD660S and the Sonata HD Pro, and can strongly recommend it. Sounds just as good as my $250 desktop amp / DAC setup.
Can also be used as just a DAC if you ever want to add a more powerful amp.
See these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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Pyle electronics are quite literally a pile of crap. Besides the fact that you don’t need an amplifier.
There’s been a big engineering design jump this year in DACs with a few models out that just blow away most legacy models. If you want an excellent budget DAC, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 can compete in sound quality with DACs costing hundreds of dollars. The noise and distortion is so low that it is arguably beyond the range of human hearing.
https://www.amazon.com/Amplificador-Sonata-PRO-Decodificaci%C3%B3n-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It does have a volume control on it, but it’s better to leave it up and use the software control on Windows because the volume steps are really big.
Here are a bunch of reviews using the headphone output which can give you an idea of how good it sounds
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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Unless you listen very loud, a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 could be all you need. It measures as accurate as the best desktop amp/dac setups that cost $200. And it is significantly more accurate than the $300 Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt dongle. Drives the HD58X to moderately loud volume with better sound than you’re going to get out of any computer.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Check out these reviews to learn more about it
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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hey, so I just bought a pair HD 280s and they’re fairly quiet for my liking, so I was wondering what amp would be good for it. I was recommended the tempo tech sonata hd pros and the fiio a3. so any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Is it this one?
Is it really that good? I’ve heard of Syba Sonic but then I was told it might be downgrade after imac’s internal dac. Don’t know though
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Audioquest Dragonflies are now obsolete. Don’t waste your money. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle measures significantly more accurate than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt and cost $40.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Sounds every bit as good with my Focal Elear and Sennheiser HD660S as when using them with my JDS Labs Atom and Topping D50S desktop stack. It will easily drive your M50X to very loud volume.
Read these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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Dragonflies are obsolete because the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 is more accurate than the $300 Dagonfly Cobalt. Works well for me on Windows and Android.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
You can also order them off AliExpress.
I have one, and it sounds just as good at moderately loud volume with Sennheiser HD58X as my $250 JDS Labs Atom and Topping D50S desktop setup. Your HD 599 are even easier to drive, so it would have plenty of headphone amp output for you.
Read these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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If you want a DAC that’s very small that measures accurate as the most expensive DAC’s
Also sold as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The HD 4.40 BT are easy to drive. There’s no need to spend that much.
A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures more accurate than the devices you are considering.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I will easily drive your headphones.
if you would like to use it with your phone and you have an iPhone, Amazon also has an iOS version.
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You might notice a difference if you go with a better measuring DAC, like the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro which measures extremely accurate. See my review
And you might not find the difference significant. Amazon has free returns, so free return shipping if it doesn’t help: https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Note that the Sonata HD Pro will also run the HD58X at moderately loud volume all by itself, arguably noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. But once again, don’t expect significant differences.
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Yes some kind of external DAC/amp likely could help.
Try the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 from Amazon. It measures very accurate and will easily drive the M50s. Amazon also has free returns, so free shipping back if it doesn’t solve your problem
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>Am looking to improve sound quality and also spatial/surround sound.
Don’t expect a dramatic difference. your headphones are not difficult to drive, so you won’t benefit from a more powerful headphone amp. The amount of benefit you’ll get from going to an external device might not be as much as you hope.
Given how easy your headphones are to drive, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will perform as well or better as the alternatives you are considering.
The Sonata HD Pro measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs. It just doesn’t have as much power, which your headphones don’t need.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Free returns on Amazon, which means free shipping if you don’t like it to send it back. So no penalty for trying it.
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>Im not so sure about sound cards, do they work like amps or dacs?
Not sure what you mean. The G6 is a headphone amp / DAC.
>Should i buy the soundblasterx g6?
What are you hoping to improve? The HD58X are easy to drive. Consequently, they likely don’t need a headphone amp the way that other headphones do. Depending on the quality of the DAC/amp in your computer, you might not know this much sound quality improvement.
Also, unless you listen really loud, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon is a better measuring DAC/amp than the G6.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I have used it with the HD58X. It sounds every bit as good as a $200 desktop amp / DAC setup will at moderately loud volume.
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>why are there separate dacs and amps and then dac/amp combos
Because some people like to pick the DAC and amp separately, based on their needs or wants.
>Can you not use either dac or amp alone for your headphone using your laptop?
A desktop DAC is not designed to run headphones.
If you want a DAC/amp that will drive the DT1990 to moderately loud volume that is very portable, check out the HIDISZ S8. Measures as well as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs
It’s the same as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro (different branding and enclosure) that is available for $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Amazon has free returns, which means free return shipping, so no penalty to try it.
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I agree with the recommendation to try the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. Amazon has it with free returns, which means free return shipping if it doesn’t help
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The dragonflies have been made obsolete by the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro which measures more accurate than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt. It only cost $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
At moderately loud volume, the HD58X sounds as good with the Sonata HD Pro as with my Topping D50S and Atom amp.
So I would give it a try. Amazon has free returns on it. If you don’t like it, they’ll pay return shipping.
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I would try the HD6XX with your MacBook before you buy anything.
And if you don’t listen very loud, the HIDIZS S8 dongle measures much more accurate than even the Dragonfly Cobalt
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/hidizs-s8-usb-c-headphone-adapter-review.10823/
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is the same dongle, only in a different enclosure with different branding, it costs $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
You may find that it’s enough. And it works fine as a DAC. You could couple it with a JDS Labs Atom, which measure so accurate that it is arguably noise and distortion free within the range of human hearing.
Here’s my review of the Sonata HD Pro used as a DAC.
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Try it on your computer. The HD58X s dvtge AD709X are not the difficult to drive.
If you still decide you want a DAC/amp, get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 off Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Sometimes with my DAP. Other times with the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. Same as the HIDIZS S8, different enclosure and branding
Sound quality is better than my Samsung S9 plus and it has more power output. Amazon has it for $40 with free returns, so worth giving it a shot if you get the HD660S
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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At 32 ohms and 99.8 dB/1 mW, your headphones are easy to drive. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro, also released as the HIDISZ S8, measures extremely accurate and will drive them:
$40 on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I have no idea how good the Xenyx Q802USB mix/amp is with headphones.
If you want to try something different, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 has sound quality equivalent to the best $200 desktop amp/dacs. It just doesn’t have as much power, which the HD660S don’t need. Works fantastic with my HD660S at modern without volume.
Amazon has free returns on it, so free return shipping if you don’t like it https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The HIDIZS S8 measures more accurate than the Schiit stack. It just doesn’t have as much power, but plenty for your headphones
It is available in a different enclosure with different branding for $40 on Amazon as the Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/Amplificador-Sonata-PRO-decodificaci%C3%B3n-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Since the Sonata HD Pro would automatically set itself to low gain for your headphones, if you want more power out of it, simply plug in a headphone extension into it first, then your headphones into that.
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Get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 off Amazon. Measures as well as the best $200 desktop amp/DAC setups. It just doesn’t have as much power, but your headphones are not difficult to drive.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
I have one, and it has more headphone amp power output and better SQ than my S9+.
Because your headphones are 32 ohms, the auto impedance sensing mechanism will set it on low gain. So if you ever want get to give more power, you can fool it into high gain by having a headphone extension plugged into it and then plugging your headphones into that.
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Dragonflies are obsolete. A Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon measures more accurate than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
Regardless, I wouldn’t recommend the Tempotec or the Dragonflies unless you listen at moderate volume for the Sundara.
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I can second the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle recommendation. with my headphones that are not too difficult to drive, sounds every bit is good as my $200 desktop amp/DAC setup
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
if you are an apple person, there’s another version of it on Amazon that also comes with an apple lightning connector for use with phones and tablets.
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That’s probably because Dragonflies are now obsolete.
The HIDIZS S8 measures extremely better than the Cobalt
It is the same unit as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle that sells for $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
You can get a desktop DAC like the Atom that also slaughters the Cobalt if all you need is a DAC
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/jds-labs-atom-dac-review.14002/
So in today’s market in terms of price/performance, the Cobalt’s probably worth about $30 or less brand new.
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It’s rarely good for connections to have electronics devices dangling like that.
Get a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 from Amazon. Measures extremely accurate and does the standard 2V DAC output
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD
And if it’s so small it’s still in your way, get some double-sided Velcro and Velcro it underneath the bottom of your desk.
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>or this whole DAC game is just placebo?
Audio science has already confirmed that personal testimonials of how DACs, and amps, sound compared to each other are often unreliable. For example, a volume level difference 0.5db between two DACs that should sound the same would bias the test to make one sound better.
Read this to learn more http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-we-hear.html
BTW: if your headphones are not difficult to drive, get a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle off Amazon for $40 and sell the cobalt. It measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs setups, and way more accurate than the Cobalt.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It is the same as the HIDIZS S8, just a different enclosure and branding from the same manufacturer
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/DACs. It just doesn’t have as much power, but more than enough to drive the HD58X to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Since Amazon has free returns, I recommend trying it out before spending more money on a DAC/amp setup, as you’re not going to get better sound quality. Only more volume.
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You can always look at the specifications and manual for any amplifier or receiver to see if it has the type of digital connection that you need. In fact, receivers have so many different features, it’s always good to verify that a receiver has the feature you want, as it’s easy for anybody to get that mixed up.
I think this one has optical. You’ll have to check the manual and see if it has USB input for the built-in DAC.
If you need USB, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon is as accurate as any $100 desktop DAC.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0
I’ve used it both with Windows 10 and with my Android phone. Works great for me sounds as good as my $200+ Topping D50S DAC.
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JDS Labs Atom or Schiit Heresy headphone amp for $100
Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Measures is accurate is the best $100 desktop DAC’s. And you can use it with mobile devices as a DAC/headphone amp.
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Here’s another option. Get a cheap Android phone that has a micro SD card slot and this HIDIZS S8 dongle
Also available as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro for $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
So you can buy whatever DAP you want, but it’s not going to be any better sound quality than that dongle.
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Audioquest Dragonflies are now obsolete.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 at Amazon is more accurate than the $300 Cobalt Dragonfly
https://www.amazon.com/Amplificador-Sonata-PRO-decodificaci%C3%B3n-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It is also more accurate than the E10K. It just has less power, but your headphones are not difficult to drive.
Because the M50X are 38 ohms, the Sonata HD Pro will automatically set itself to low gain. If you decide you want more power out of it, you can plug in a 3.5mm extension into the Sonata HD Pro first. It will sense infinite resistance and go into high gain mode. Then you plug the M50X cable into that.
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I used to own the HD58X. The DT990 more popular for gaming for their bigger sound stage. HD58X are known for their imaging. difficult to say what you would like better, as sound stage and imaging perception is a little bit individualistic, as we have different ears and heads. And of course the mix on some games might be more or less better with one or the other.
in other words, there’s no definitive answer as to what you would like better. I will say the HD58X are easy to drive and generally do not need a headphone amp.
If you still want a high quality DAC/amp, The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle on Amazon has enough power for them for moderately loud volume. and it measures as accurate in terms of sound quality as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It would not have enough power for the DT990 250 ohms.
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon. Measures as accurate as the best $100 DACs. And it has the standard 2V output to be used as a DAC.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I don’t know.
But I can suggest an alternative, assuming you don’t listen super loud. The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs. It just doesn’t have as much power. In fact, it is so accurate that a more accurate measuring DAC/amp won’t sound any better.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I use mine with my Focal Elear, 80 ohms, Sennheiser HD660S, 150 ohms. Sounds every bit as good as my $250 desktop and / DAC setup at moderately loud volume.
if you’re interested, I think Amazon has free returns on it. So worth giving it a shot.
I will say that 80 ohm headphones it auto-detects as low impedance. But you can fool it by having a headphone extension plugged into it when you plug it into the USB port. Then it thinks there’s infinite resistance. Then connect the headphones to the headphone extens.
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I don’t know anything about the Odyssey.
But we do know that the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro measures amazingly accurate. It is the same as the HIDIZS S8
It’s accuracy measurements are so high that it’s fair to consider that there is no noise and distortion within the range of human hearing. That it won’t color the sound at all. My Sonata HD Pro sounds the same to me as my $250 Topping D50S DAC.
Amazon has it with free returns. So if you want to try it, if you don’t like it, they pay for shipping back
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>Looking to upgrade to the xDSD or Micro Black Label for traveling and pairing with my iphone 11 or galaxy10.
What headphones are you using? If not too difficult to drive, HIDIZS S8 measures as well as the best $200 desktop DACs/amps and much better than the $300 Audioquest Dragonfly Cobalt
It is also released with different enclosure and branding as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro which you can get on Amazon with free return shipping for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I use mine with Samsung S9 plus and S2 tablet. Not sure how it works with iPhone. But you could try it and send it back if you don’t like it.
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Those headphones simply don’t get enough recommendations on this subreddit. Great for anybody that likes headphones with a some extra bass. I like them better than M50X. And Amazon has them for $130.
They’re also so easy to drive, that a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will drive them to very loud volume
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
And it measures more accurate than the $200 Schiit stack. I own one common it sounds just as good as my desktop setup.
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Difficult to say. I couldn’t find any independent measurements of how that unit performs to know how good the sound quality is. And also to check to make sure that it doesn’t have a high low output impedance for an amp, which would affect the sound quality of the X2HR since they are low impedance headphones.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon is super accurate. As accurate as the best $200 desktop amp /DAC’s
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
If Amazon has free returns, that means free return shipping, so no penalty for trying.
Since the X2HR is a low impedance headphone, you might have to fool the Sonata HD Pro into running on high gain since it has an auto-sensing mechanism.
To do that, you simply have to have a headphone extension with nothing plugged into it, plugged into the Sonata HD Pro when you connect it to your phone or your computer. Then it senses infinite resistance and automatically goes a high gain. Then you can plug on the X2HR. Here’s the cable I use
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07QG1CCTF
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Check and see if the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle is iPhone compatible. It cost $40 on Amazon and is a more accurate DAC than the $300 Dragonfly Cobalt
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
The HIDIZS S8 is the same unit, with different branding in a different enclosure. So someone in this discussion thread at ASR may have experienced using it with iPhone. You might ask questions there after searching the thread
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I don’t know if it works with raspberry pi. You have to research it. But the HIDIZS S8 dongle measures more accurate than the Modi 3.
It is also released in a different enclosure with a different brand name, Tempotec Sonata HD Pro fo $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Lots of smart techie guys at ASR in the HIDIZS S8 discussion thread who would probably know whether it works with the raspberry pi.
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>I also have an FX Audio DAC X6 and a Dragonfly Red.
Sell your Dragonfly Red. It’s not commonly known yet, but all of the Dragonflies are now obsolete. Then get the get the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 off Amazon and pocket the difference
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?
Same as the HIDIZS S8, but rebranded in a different enclosure, which measures much better than Dragonfly Cobalt and Red, as accurate as thousand dollar DACs
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/hidizs-s8-usb-c-headphone-adapter-review.10823/
If you still need convincing, check out these reviews
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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The HD58X are fairly easy to drive. That being said, depending on your mobile phone and you’re preferred listening volume, your phone amp might not be rendering the dynamics very well.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon drive them noticeably louder then my Samsung S9 plus with crystal clear sound. Works well with Android and Windows. Not sure about Apple.
Read these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
Amazon has free returns on it. Which means free return shipping if you don’t like it. So little penalty for trying
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I wouldn’t worry about it when building your PC. You can just buy an external DAC/amp.
For example, Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 off Amazon will drive the M50X to loud volume with clear sound.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
I own one, and it has better sound quality to me than my Samsung S9+ with more headphone power output.
Read these reviews to learn more
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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You will be able to listen to your DT 770 on your phone.
If you find you’re running your phone at or near full power for your preferred listening volume, you can try a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro for $40 for Amazon to give it some extra boost
https://www.amazon.com/Amplificador-Sonata-PRO-decodificaci%C3%B3n-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
See these reviews https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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Heck, the HIDIZS S8 measures better than my Atom/D50S stack
And you can get it rebranded in a different enclosure as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro for $40 from Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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I agree. The Atom is a great choice basic preamp.
If you also need a USB DAC, check out the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle on Amazon for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
It is the same as the HIDIZS S8 dongle (different enclosure and branding) that Audio Science Review measured. It has considerably less distortion than your Modi 3
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/hidizs-s8-usb-c-headphone-adapter-review.10823/
Can’t lose for $40 😁
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HD58X and HD6XX are too popular options.
I prefer HD6XX a little bit over HD58X for jazz. But then HD58X are easier to drive and often do not need an amplifier. in fact, they will easily drive to loud volumes with the TempoTec Sonata HD PRO dongle for $40 on Amazon. Works well with Android and Windows. Not sure about Apple
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
HD58X sound just as good with the tempotec as they do with my $250 headphone amp / DAC setup. It measures so accurate that it is distortion free within the range of human hearing.
Check out these reviews https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
So for less than the HD6XX, you can get the HD58X and make them as good as they’re going to sound with external DAC/amp
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Many people find the SHP9500 a little bass light. The X2s have a good bit of extra midbass emphasis. So you could decide based on that.
Sennheiser HD58X are another headphone you might look into.
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 on Amazon is more accurate DAC/amp than the E10K. It will easily drive the X2’s to very loud volume
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Works great with Windows and Android. Not sure about Apple. Sounds just as good as my $250 desktop DAC/amp stack.
Check out these reviews
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
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JDS Labs Atom stack or Schiit Heresy and Modi 3+ for $200 are easily arguable to be noise and distortion-free within the range of human hearing. The highest fidelity you can perceive. And they will drive 99% of headphones. So you would be all set.
For example, check out some of these measurements
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/jds-labs-atom-dac-review.14002/
Then, if you have an Android phone, I use a Tempotec Sonata HD pro with my S9+ and the HD660S. It measures about as accurate as those desktop setups
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>ask whether it is needed to get an AMP/DAC when I want to use them primarily with my smartphone (Samsung S9).
Unless you like to listen to that very quiet volume most likely yes.
>I have been thinking about buying AudioQuest Dragonfly Red – is it a good choice?
No. Not a good choice. Old product, and the market has evolved in the last couple of years. There are better options for less money.
For example, Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $37 on Amazon measures more accurate
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Works great with my S9 plus. However, not sure it or the dragonfly would be 250 ohm headphones.
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2i2 has a good dac, and good sounding headphone output. But it’s headphone amp output is a little weak.
So as long as you get headphones that are not difficult to drive, you do not need another DAC / amp.
Except for the MQA feature, which is arguably lower fidelity since it is less accurate sound reproduction, Dragonflies have been outclassed by HIDISZ S8, which performs better than even the Cobalt
That measures better than the mojo
The S8 is sold with different branding and enclosure as the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
With lightning adapter
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-iOS/dp/B083QZLYB3/
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>the minefield that is DACs that can be used as a headphone amp.
A DAC is a digital to audio converter. It’s not meant to be used as a headphone amp.
So more correctly, what you’re looking for is one that has both capability built in.
Dragonflies are kind of obsolete technology now. The $40 Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is higher fidelity.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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Grados are fairly easy to drive.
Get a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro. Measures is accurate as the $200 Schiit desktop amp/dac stack. It just doesn’t have as much power, which you don’t need
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures is accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs. It just doesn’t have as much power, but your headphones are easy to drive.
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Because your headphones are 32 ohms, it will automatically set to low gain. You can get a little more volume out of it by fooling it to go into high gain. I use this extension with my 80 ohm headphones.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07QG1CCTF
Plug it in first, and the Sonata HD Pro does not sense low impedance. Then you can plug the headphones in to the extension.
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Take your current headphones. turn them up to your average listening volume. Lay them face up playing into the air on a desk or table. A pair of open headphones won’t be quite that loud in the room because a lot of the sound is directed at your ears.
Check out the new Sennheiser HD560S that are releasing this week
https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd-560s/
Looks like a good fit for what you want. They are also fairly easy to drive. You could easily find you don’t need an amp.
And if you still want one, Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 will drive them to moderately loud volume with crystal clear sound
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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>Will I be able to get away with just the e10k?
I would try the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 first. It measures as accurate as the best desktop and / DAC setups. It just doesn’t have as much power. Depending on your listening volume and whether or not you use EQ to boost the bass, you might be very satisfied with it
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
And if you ever do want more headphone power, it works great as a DAC used with the $100 JDS Labs Atom or Schiit Heresy.
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>it’s not in my skill set yet per se but figure I could learn to solder and flip them for a profit,
Don’t count on making a lot of money.
The HIDIZS S8 dongle measures much more accurate than even the Dragonfly Cobalt
The Tempotec Sonata HD Pro is the same dongle, only in a different enclosure with different branding, it costs $40 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
So no one on the r/headphoneadvice is recommending that anyone buy a Dragonfly anymore. Not when the Sonata HD Pro is better than the best Cobalt for 15% of the price.
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Or, you could get whatever Android phone you want with a USB-C connector and get a Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle from Amazon for $40
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
This measures more accurate than the best $200 desktop DAC/amp setups. It drives my Focal Elear and Sennheiser HD660S to loud volumes with crystal clear sound and sounds as good as my JDS Labs Atom and Topping D50S desktop stack.
Check out these reviews
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/tempotec-sonata-hd-pro.24181/
What headphones do you have to use?
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Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $39 on Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/TempoTec-Sonata-HD-PRO-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
Measures as accurate as the best $200 desktop amp/dacs.
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Ifi Zen DAC has very poor power output
JDS Labs Atom stack or Schiit Heresy and Modi 3 for $200 would be much better.
For that matter, if you were trying to save money, the Tempotec Sonata HD Pro dongle for $40 measures is accurate as the other DACs. You can use it with the Atom or Heresy amp and save 60 bucks. I can’t tell any real difference between it and my Topping D50S DAC when used with my Atom amp on Windows
https://www.amazon.com/Amplificador-Sonata-PRO-decodificaci%C3%B3n-Android/dp/B084YX4MZD/
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